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“Nobody has ever accused Bill Gates or the Gates Foundation of being involved in any gain-of-function research related to COVID-19." (As spoken in the clip: "Nobody's ever accused me or the Gates Foundation of being involved in any gain-of-function research.")”
Plain restatementNo person has publicly alleged that Bill Gates or the Gates Foundation participated in or funded gain-of-function research, in general or in connection with COVID-19.
Bill Gates really did say this, and the clip is not doctored. He said it during a Verge Decoder interview, responding to venture capitalist Ben Horowitz's claim on the All-In podcast that Gates "essentially induced" COVID-19. But the statement itself is wrong as worded. People have accused Gates and his foundation of involvement in gain-of-function research, including Horowitz in that very exchange and Senator Rand Paul in televised interviews. There is also a documented funding link worth knowing: the 2012 Nature paper in which the Kawaoka lab made H5N1 bird flu transmissible between ferrets, one of the most famous gain-of-function studies ever done, credits the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in its acknowledgements. That said, this is bird flu research, not coronavirus research, and no credible evidence connects Gates or his foundation to the creation of COVID-19. Horowitz's original accusation remains unsupported, and it is not clear whether the Gates money paid for those specific experiments.
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Red-tinted words in the claim drifted from the evidence. Green-tinted words are what a neutral restatement needs.
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- Gates did say these words, and the clip does not appear to be cropped in a way that reverses his meaning. He was responding to a direct question about Horowitz's claim.
- There is no credible evidence that Gates or the Gates Foundation funded or conducted gain-of-function research that created SARS-CoV-2. On that narrow point, Gates is on solid ground.
- Horowitz's underlying claim that Gates "induced" COVID is itself unsupported by any evidence found.
- Fabrication-adjacent universal negative: the statement "nobody has ever accused" is factually wrong. The accusation was made by Horowitz seconds before, and has been made publicly by Senator Rand Paul and by a large volume of online and advocacy content. Whether those accusations are correct is a separate question from whether they exist.
- Omitted qualifier: Gates's blanket denial of involvement in "any gain-of-function research" omits that a Gates Foundation acknowledgement appears in the 2012 Kawaoka H5N1 ferret transmissibility paper, one of the most prominent gain-of-function studies ever published. A denial limited to coronavirus work would be defensible. The unqualified version is not.
- Scope shift in the intake text: adding "related to COVID-19" narrows what Gates actually said. Readers encountering the narrowed version are evaluating a different and more defensible statement than the one spoken.
- What exactly Gates meant. He may have intended "no serious or formal accusation," or "no accusation of conducting such research myself." The transcript does not resolve this, and he did not elaborate.
- Whether Gates Foundation money specifically funded the transmissibility-enhancing experiments in the Kawaoka paper, as opposed to other work in that laboratory. The acknowledgement line does not break down funding by experiment, and I could not retrieve the full grant records.
- Whether the Gates Foundation has ever funded coronavirus-related gain-of-function work. I found no evidence that it has, but my search allowance was exhausted before I could check grant databases or EcoHealth Alliance funding records directly. Absence of found evidence is not evidence of absence here.
- The full Decoder episode was retrieved only through a syndicated reproduction of The Verge transcript, not from theverge.com directly.
The quote is genuine and in context. The Decoder transcript confirms the host put Ben Horowitz's claim directly to Gates: Horowitz, of Andreessen Horowitz, was on the All-In podcast and suggested that safety research at Anthropic is "manifesting human extinction from artificial superintelligence," and the comparison he made was that Gates induced COVID-19 through his pandemic preparation efforts. A separate commentator independently recorded the same All-In moment: Ben Horowitz of a16z said on the All-In podcast that "Bill Gates essentially induced Covid" by advocating for pandemic preparedness. The substance of Gates's assertion is contradicted by multiple sources. The accusation he denies had just been made by Horowitz, in the very exchange being discussed. Beyond that, a sitting US senator has made the link publicly: Rand Paul, in a Fox News interview, continued his allegations that COVID-19 originated in a Wuhan lab via gain-of-function research funded by US officials and said "Bill Gates has been over" in that context. On the underlying funding question, which is distinct from the COVID allegation: the 2012 Kawaoka ferret transmissibility paper, one of the two experiments that triggered the modern gain-of-function controversy, lists Gates Foundation support in its acknowledgements. The Nature paper states that the work was supported by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In 2011, Fouchier and Kawaoka alarmed the world by revealing they had separately modified the deadly avian H5N1 influenza virus so that it spread between ferrets, and the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity was charged in late 2011 with reviewing two manuscripts describing genetically modified H5N1 with potential for respiratory transmission between ferrets, authored by Kawaoka at Wisconsin-Madison and Fouchier at Erasmus Medical Center. That work is avian influenza, not coronavirus, and it has no demonstrated connection to SARS-CoV-2. No credible source found establishes that Gates or the Gates Foundation funded or conducted gain-of-function research on coronaviruses. Fact-checkers have repeatedly documented that Gates-and-COVID-origin narratives are unsupported: FactCheck.org found that a conspiracy theory falsely claims Gates is plotting to use COVID-19 testing and a future vaccine to track people, noting the Foundation has advocated expanded testing and funded vaccine research, but neither involves implanted microchips.
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Did Bill Gates actually say this?
Yes. He said it in a Verge Decoder interview after the host asked him about venture capitalist Ben Horowitz's claim that Gates had essentially induced COVID-19. The clip is genuine and not doctored.
Is it true that nobody has ever accused Gates of gain-of-function research?
No, this is false. Horowitz made exactly that kind of accusation moments before Gates's denial, and Senator Rand Paul has publicly linked Gates to gain-of-function funding in televised interviews.
Is there any real funding connection between Gates and gain-of-function research?
Yes, one is documented. The 2012 Nature paper by the Kawaoka lab, which made H5N1 bird flu transmissible between ferrets, credits the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in its acknowledgements. That research involved bird flu, not coronavirus.
Does this mean Gates or his foundation helped create COVID-19?
No. The case file found no credible evidence connecting Gates or the Gates Foundation to the creation of SARS-CoV-2. Horowitz's original claim that Gates induced COVID-19 is unsupported by any evidence found.
Did Gates lie when he said this?
The investigation could not determine what Gates meant exactly, whether he was denying any formal accusation or denying personal involvement in such research. What is clear is that his statement as worded, a blanket claim that nobody has ever made such an accusation, does not hold up against the public record.